Ep. 47: Evangelical Christianity & Zionism with Dr. Kimberly Rose Pendleton Pt. 2
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In this second episode of this conversation, Dr. Kimberly Rose Pendleton and I discuss the rise of evangelical Christianity and its influence on politics, particularly in relation to Zionism.
We explore the defining characteristics of evangelicalism, such as the belief in the literal interpretation of the Bible and the mission to control public policy.
We discuss the connection between evangelicalism and Zionism, highlighting the belief that the end times will involve a battle in Israel and the annihilation of the Jewish population. Our conversation sheds light on the power and organization of evangelical Christians in shaping political agendas and the need for greater awareness of their influence.
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Evangelical Christianity is characterized by a belief in the literal interpretation of the Bible and a mission to control public policy.
Evangelicals have been influential in shaping political agendas, particularly in relation to issues like abortion and Israel.
There is a strong connection between evangelical Christianity and Zionism, with many evangelicals believing that the end times will involve a battle in Israel and the annihilation of the Jewish population.
The power and organization of evangelical Christians in politics is often underestimated, and there is a need for greater awareness of their influence.
About the Guest:
Dr. Kimberly Rose Pendleton is a Speaker, Writer, Teacher & Founder of UNCOVER., a 7 figure Intimacy Brand.
With a M.A. from Yale, a PhD, in-depth coaching training and years of experience, it is her deep honor and pleasure to weave the intellectual side of empowerment, healing, and intimacy work in with the embodied, playful practices of pleasure.
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Evangelical Christianity & Zionism w Kimberly Pendleton Part 2
Kim Pendleton (00:00)
And I was like listening to interviews with, you know, like Republican pundits afterward who are like sweating because this is not popular.
This is like a huge departure from what most people want. It is going to cost them votes. And I was like, yeah, you fucking made your bed. You made this Faustian bargain with these people and now you're going to have consequences. it's not... I think it really took them by surprise and it's not beyond the realm of the logic for me at all.
It's like, yeah, you started this. You started a conversation about this.
Weeze (00:38)
Well, yeah, so I was reading about it and they, it did, it backfired on them because what they were banking on was every other Christian, every other, and evangelical Christian specifically following suit of their narrative or following in line with the narrative that they were proposing, which is IVF is science and you're playing God
Kim Pendleton (01:04)
Yeah.
Weeze (01:05)
And so that was literally how they presented it. They were like, we should be voting against IVF. Like we should ban IVF. It should not be allowed because you're playing God, right? Yeah, exactly, right? So like, because again, science is bad, obviously. Like asterisks, it's major sarcasm. But that's
Kim Pendleton (01:13)
Right? This is making the eye in our hands. It's above our brain, yeah.
Yes.
Weeze (01:32)
was pushed and then when they started interviewing Christians, evangelicals across the board, they were very surprised how many folks had very quietly actually used IVF to have children. so like, duh, yeah, right? And there was, I don't obviously remember her name, but the, know, one of the women that they were interviewing basically was
Kim Pendleton (01:45)
100%. Yes. Not 100%. 100%. I agree. Yes. Right.
Weeze (02:02)
You know, like I feel like the church has now betrayed me. Like I love my children more than anything. So now you're telling me, I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, what, my children are an abomination now because I needed IVF to have them like make it make sense. And so, yeah, so it backfired so bad.
Kim Pendleton (02:09)
Yeah, yeah, so what's that?
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
So many Christian women are used by the So many. I've heard so bad and I can see why, like I can see every piece of the puzzle, you know, and it is where people were like, well, like the other mandate, like the rules are that like, we're supposed to be moms, we're supposed to get pregnant, we're supposed to have kids, have as many as you can. Like, this is part of the job. Tons of IVF use in church.
Huge, huge, huge fertility struggles, praying about miscarriage. This is the one thing you're allowed to have nuance about as a woman in the church. You're allowed to cry and talk about it all this time. It's the only thing. And then you hear the progression of that nerd, course, friends with Weeze were nerds, but actually listening to the and reading the transcripts of what's going down at the Southern Baptist Convention. at first...
People are like, no, we're, can't like vote with this. We used IVF, we needed it. But the arguments, it's like, well, if we're saying conception begins your personhood, then yeah, what do we do with embryos that are, I know we're getting like a little off topic, I guess, but just to say that policy is being decided in church conference halls. And like, that is
Weeze (03:47)
Mm -hmm.
Kim Pendleton (03:50)
the government that I think a lot of liberals think we have. And instead what we're seeing is this outsized influence from what used to be a minority religious group, but is actually now, like you pointed out, Weeze huge majority. Not of our country, but of who's controlling it.
Weeze (04:10)
Yeah, so again, because apparently, according to Axios, when self -reporting, like there's an intentionality around the vagueness. of the 60, I think I said 63 % of Americans that are Christian, was like, our best guess is between six and 35 % are evangelical. Like, I personally think that's also very intentional.
Right? Because it's like, if people don't really know how many of the, you know, how many there are, like, maybe they're not that much of a threat. Right? So the reality is that even if it is 36, 38, 40, even if it's 40%, the fact that over 70 % of our 90 % of elected officials are evangelical,
Kim Pendleton (04:46)
Right.
Right, right, yeah.
Yeah, like it doesn't matter if it is a represent. Exactly, exactly. And there are even more, like I am still in community with plenty of people who identify as evangelical and don't think it should control public policy, like may have personal beliefs that I may even disagree with strongly, but don't necessarily think it means like I shouldn't be allowed to like vote.
Weeze (05:10)
That is not reflective of this nation.
Kim Pendleton (05:38)
You know, it's like the difference is like what we're seeing now, and especially with Project 2025, is an intentional blurring of those lines and a utilization of especially the executive branch, but only because they already fucking have the other branches like locked down to implement policy based on their beliefs. So instead of it just being like, I personally am pro.
whatever, it's like, no, we're gonna make this illegal. We're gonna use the FDA to make abortion drugs unavailable. We're gonna change the structure of who can adopt so that single mothers aren't supported, so that it has to be that there's a hetero two -person couple, that stuff. We're seeing the plans for implementation that I think
really underscore that intention of like, the government is how we carry out like our beliefs and put them on everyone.
Weeze (06:42)
Yeah, and I think the only reason that they need the executive branch is because the executive branch is just the puppet that is performing the show, right? Like the reality, I think also a lot of people, I was actually recently very surprised to learn that most people thought that the president had a lot more power than the president actually does.
Kim Pendleton (06:51)
Yeah, totally.
Totally, Right. That's why they think they can just do that one vote that one time and they're done. It's like, you need to know who your mayor is actually. That is, Yeah, yeah. Totally. You might need to know who's running the mega church down the street at the end of all this.
Weeze (07:15)
who your judges are, who your DA is.
No, but actually, actually. But the president has always served as that figurehead that speaks, quote unquote, to the people and speaks, like reflects what our nation, quote unquote, believes, right? So that being said, when you have people who might before have been closeted about their beliefs, their religious beliefs,
Kim Pendleton (07:49)
Yeah. Yeah.
Weeze (07:51)
because frankly, it's nobody's business. If you don't believe in abortion, cool, that's fine. Don't have one. That's literally the definition of your body, your choice. Like your body, your choice. You don't believe in vaccines? Don't get it. You know I mean? Like you don't want to vaccinate your kids. I think you're stealing your children's sovereignty and that's another conversation. Yeah.
Kim Pendleton (07:53)
Sure. Right. Don't have one. Great. No problem. Right. Love that dirty freeze. Right.
Yeah.
I know. It's like, okay, we're getting into weirder territory with your kids, but still, but still. I so hear you. I'm totally here. Totally.
Weeze (08:16)
But still, but the point is that still that is your child and you are responsible for your child. I, as somebody who practices liberatory ethos in all sectors of my life, believe that even children, actually I think children are our most disenfranchised population and they have their sovereignty robbed from them under the guise of their quote unquote childhood all the time. But neither here nor there. The point is,
Kim Pendleton (08:37)
So true. What is that podcast coming up? Because I want to listen that. But yeah, no, I so hear you. It's so different if the vibe is these are my personal beliefs versus this is now like the government policy that I plan to impose on everyone and like we're going to use the military to enforce it.
Weeze (08:59)
and you can be jailed, you can be fined. Exactly, we're going to use literal and or financial violence to impose these religious beliefs on you. We are going to rob you of your sovereignty and your civil liberties because personal choice and self -actualization are actually written into the constitution, folks, right? But when you have a president that shows up and is
Kim Pendleton (09:05)
Yeah.
Weeze (09:27)
you know, blah, blah, spewing whatever, then populations who before maybe were like, you know, like, I have my own beliefs, but like you get to have yours. That emboldens people. Like there is a reason that mob mentality is a phrase. There's a reason that there is psychology that is studied behind charismatic leadership and brainwashing and cult leaders and, you know, all of these other things
Kim Pendleton (09:31)
Mm -hmm.
Totally, totally.
Weeze (09:57)
These things are real and we're watching them be enacted. So for me, when I look at it, I'm like, it doesn't matter. They were very intentional in choosing Trump. Because Trump has always been, A, he's not gonna put up a fight, B, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. C he just wants to be president. Like he just wants to be, yeah. I mean, and he said it so long ago. He was like, if I was ever gonna run, I'd run as a Republican. You know what I mean? Cause you can convince him of anything. Like that was what he said.
Kim Pendleton (10:07)
Yeah, see, it's not gonna press the fight.
What'll you?
He's using a blank canvas for them.
Right. Yeah, he's just trying to say I'm a bail.
Weeze (10:27)
And for him, he's like, yeah, he's like, is a reality show for him. And they gave him the script and he's like, I could do this. And as much as I don't care for that man, he is very effective for the role that they need him to play. And there is a reason that JD Vance was chosen as his VP. If
Kim Pendleton (10:34)
Right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (10:55)
fools themselves into thinking that he is not actually running the executive branch.
Kim Pendleton (10:59)
Right, right. He was major author on Project 2025. Like, is a huge, like, yeah, I could not agree more. And fundraiser, yeah. I mean, and the other thing that is like a crazy making dynamic about all of this that I have also witnessed firsthand, and it is coded, I think, in the Bible, is that their psychology is that they're the ones being persecuted. And so this whole
Weeze (11:07)
and fundraiser.
Kim Pendleton (11:28)
of even like Trump being shot at and like rising again or whatever, it fits off too perfectly because evangelicals, even when they're in charge of fucking everything, have this narrative that you will hear at any church on any Sunday that like the war on Christmas like woke cultures after them that they're this like beleaguered
minority that they have to fight for what's right against all odds that they're being persecuted. And it's like, no, no, no, you are not being persecuted. You are doing the persecuting actually. But it's such a powerful, like if you can tap into that, people think they're fighting on behalf of the unborn. They're fighting on behalf of the like, whatever, vulnerable.
and like it's them against the world, it's them against liberals, like they are fighting the good fight. It's why the sex trafficking thing took such root with them and Pizzagate and all of that like insanity around January 6th. It's like if you can convince them that they're being attacked, they will rally for you.
Weeze (12:43)
Yeah, mean, ultimately the biggest thing that I want
to take away from this episode. because, on, I'm gonna throw an asterisk in here that I probably should have thrown at the beginning. Be evangelical. I don't care, right? Like to be clear. Like, and I actually, I too know folks that identify that openly, not like pretend discreetly according to Axios, you know, subtly identify. Like openly, right. They like openly identify as evangelical.
Kim Pendleton (12:58)
It's complicated. Yeah.
They don't say Christian, they say God is love as their religious youth.
Weeze (13:19)
Do your thing, cool but for whatever reason.
Maybe they just haven't, you know, they haven't been exposed to enough fog. They still understand the line of like, these are my beliefs. I'm gonna have my beliefs. You get to have your beliefs. They don't have to be the same beliefs, right? Like, I'm not gonna push mine on yours. You don't push yours on me. And cool, like that's fine. We might have heated conversations sometimes.
Kim Pendleton (13:32)
Right. Right.
Right? And that can be good. And that is okay.
Weeze (13:56)
And it can be because I firmly believe that as long as people are willing to have certain conversations about things, that's actually how you continue to move them. And I've seen movement in folks, right? I've seen people go from very anti -queer to, yeah, you know what? You're right. That was such an absurd.
Kim Pendleton (14:06)
Yes, totally.
Yeah.
Weeze (14:25)
thing to believe or this is why I believed it and I was just taught this or I was this and you know what I mean? So I've seen the movement in people. I know it can happen. But anyways, that I digress. Do your thing, believe what you want to believe. As long as you're not hurting anybody else and you're not hating anyone else. Right, exactly. And like you're not hating anyone else. Like do your thing. That's my entire belief system. Don't hurt anyone. Don't sit up here hating people for no reason, you know, because of their beliefs, their identities. Do your thing. Cool. Enjoy.
Kim Pendleton (14:40)
That's a big yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Weeze (14:55)
That being said, the reason that evangelical Christianity specifically for me is something that I think we all need to be talking about, we all need to be learning about, is because, and you know, I apologize, this is probably blasphemy, y 'all can come for me, you probably already think I should go to hell, so that's fine. I no longer believe that it is actually a religious organization, it is a political organization
Kim Pendleton (15:16)
Hahaha!
Weeze (15:25)
that uses God and the Bible and religion to continue to indoctrinate and grow its numbers and fly quote unquote under the radar and also take advantage of a lot of tax benefits. Because you cannot convince me that that is religion. Like you cannot, you can't.
Kim Pendleton (15:39)
Yeah.
-huh.
I think you're hitting on something that, if we phrase it a slightly different way probably, but I think they would even agree with, which is that there is no boundary. Who I am in my faith, who I am in my politics, what I think should happen, what I think you should do, what I think they should do, all gets to blend together. And that's what's terrifying. And I think one of the things that we really wanted to just put...
out there and get us talking about, especially in our circles where, you know, I think for better, not just for better or worse, this is not as familiar, is to really like clarify how serious this is. Not, I was gonna say not to scare you, but like honestly, I'm a little scared to scare you. Yeah, yeah, because this is, it's
Weeze (16:39)
No, to scare you. I am too.
Kim Pendleton (16:46)
intentional and it's so clear and we're seeing the writing on the wall and I'm worried that if you don't know what to look for it would still be so easy to be like what weirdos we're even we're seeing that rhetoric right and I don't hate it they are weird but like if we just dismiss it as like god what freaks I feel like we might miss the like yeah and they've been like quietly leading
basically for 50 years that is now like coming to major fruition. Yeah.
Weeze (17:21)
Yeah, I personally am.
very, very concerned. This election more than any election, and there will be podcasts on the election coming up and all sorts of things, but everyone I know in politics, in a surprise to no one, is swamped. So it's just been hard finding...
Kim Pendleton (17:42)
Yeah. You're like, my intimacy coach friend is free though, so that's good. No, but totally. I'm so glad you're doing this. I'm like, so glad people are talking about it. And I joke about that, but it is important for people like in my field and people who don't think this concerns us. It does. Like you're wrong. And
Weeze (17:50)
Right.
Kim Pendleton (18:09)
I see this with lot of coaches and new age tantricas, whatever, being like, this is not like my, it's not about me. And it's like, yes, it's about all of us. Yes.
Weeze (18:20)
Actually it is. At this point, if you are not a CIS -HET evangelical white dude, this is about you. You... Because I also don't even think people have read Project 2025. Like, they want to eradicate our banking system as we know it. How are you not terrified of that? Literally, they are going to uninsure the Fed. What?
Kim Pendleton (18:29)
You should be worried. Yeah.
Right. Right. You're like, we're - you didn't even get in! Right.
Weeze (18:49)
You mean my money in the bank can just disappear and I have no recourse? The government will not be responsible? Do you know what that sounds like? It sounds like they're getting ready to steal all of our fucking money and then go do literally whatever evangelical God knows what with it.
Kim Pendleton (18:51)
YAM!
you.
I'm
Declare a State of Emergency takeaway vote. Right. Like, you're absolutely, it's like we haven't even gotten into the like, the day -to -day terrifying things, because the big picture terrifying things are so big, but it's like, yeah, no, this is not normal.
Weeze (19:13)
Yes!
Not like and this goes people like, this is fascism. First of all, we've been in fascist territory. This is so far beyond fascism. Like we've been there. We we surpassed fascism a while ago. It everybody should be scared. And I'm not this is not some like the sky is falling chicken little like everybody should be terrified. And I will this is this is the last thing I'll say. And then
Kim Pendleton (19:34)
Yeah, totally, totally.
Yeah.
Weeze (19:55)
kick it to you to leave whatever final remarks you want. Call me a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. I do not under any circumstance think that it is an accident that Project 2025 popped up on the scene right when this country was starting to pay attention to the Zionist movement.
and the way in which we have been funding and supporting the apartheid regime since the inception of the colonization of Palestine for 76 years at this point. That is not an accident because now what they're effectively saying is like, you want to use your vote to keep us from continuing our literal God given mission in Palestine, wiping
everybody that lives there. Cool, cool, cool. What are you gonna do when we bring it to your doorstep? Because if you don't think that Project 2025 is a guaranteed genocide, slow genocide, for so many of our marginalized populations, specifically, for example, I don't know, our trans family members, our trans community, who already have all of their, all
Kim Pendleton (21:12)
any immigration.
Weeze (21:19)
their life -saving care being eradicated, under attack, immigration, adoption,
Kim Pendleton (21:26)
Yes.
Weeze (21:29)
This was not an accident because they've been working on Project 2025 for years and years. They just they were like, OK, this is when we're going to do this because they know that the voting block is now fragmented because there are so many people that are willing. I'm sorry. Let me say this differently. The voting block is fragmented because there are so many people who are only now waking up to Zionism. And I love that people think that they can vote it out through presidency. I love that level of hope
Kim Pendleton (21:37)
And this is what we see.
Weeze (21:58)
I love that level of positivity because we need, we still need hope, we need positivity, right? Like don't be a curmudgeon like me who's, you know, when you've just been paying attention to politics for too long, can, you can, exactly, right? So we need that and they're banking on that. They are banking on people saying, granted, I do not like Harris, haven't liked Harris since she was in California.
Kim Pendleton (22:02)
Yeah.
Yeah.
a lot, you know too much.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, Yeah.
Weeze (22:27)
was not my vote will never be my vote. But and also they are banking on people saying that because of the Biden Harris, because of the way the Biden Harris administration has handled the last seven, eight months. God damn near a year now actually. They're banking on that. They're banking on you standing by that one single issue and not quote unquote
Kim Pendleton (22:39)
Yeah.
I know.
Yeah.
giving them free reign for everything else. And it's all the same issue, which I think is what you're getting at too. And it's what we've seen in the history of imperialism and colonialism over and over that like violence gets tested out abroad and then like brought, like how far can we push it? How little pushback will we get? Like, and then we can bring it domestic.
Weeze (22:57)
Exactly. Exactly.
and then brought home.
If y 'all don't think that Project 2025 guarantees that we are next.
Like we have this terrible narrative in this country that like our own government won't turn on us. They already have. The only thing, the only, the literal last step is just open violence in the streets. But if you've been paying attention to marginalized populations or any of the protests over the last almost year, you will see very clearly
Kim Pendleton (23:40)
Bye.
That's right.
Weeze (23:58)
This has been the case for years and years and years and years and years. They always use literal violence the second we start to even peaceful protest, right? Raise your voice just a little. You will be met with violence.
Kim Pendleton (24:14)
Yeah, it's so true and I don't think... it's like we are taking it seriously but I don't think we're taking it seriously enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like a dystopian, it feels like a joke, it feels hyperbolic. I
Weeze (24:24)
I don't think we are at all. I wouldn't even go that far. People are not taking this seriously. People are not taking this seriously.
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
I mean, let's be real, JD Vance is really easy to make fun of. Trump is so easy to make fun of. Biden is easy to make fun of. Even the memes like Harris versus Trump, AKA versus KKK, they write themselves. The shit is not a joke. It's not a joke. We have meme -ified and Twitter -ified or whatever the fuck the kids are calling it now, right? Like very serious.
Kim Pendleton (24:40)
Totally! He is weird. Totally, totally. Right,
huh. huh. huh. Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (25:07)
like a very terrifying, serious potential reality. Like to smithereens.
Kim Pendleton (25:11)
Totally. And I think it's not too extreme to point out parallels between like, the two countries that really come to mind are like Germany when Hitler was coming to power and Iran when the Shah was getting over it. People thought he was a joke or it felt like this couldn't be serious. And it was like, by the time we realized
how serious it really was. It had happened so fast and it was too late.
Weeze (25:49)
Because power like that quietly aggregates itself and it quietly organizes and it lets you continue to mock and then it wreaks down oppression with a vengeance.
Kim Pendleton (25:51)
Yeah, it sure does. And that masculine... Yes. Yes.
Yeah, I mean, this is a super weird note to end on, but I never get to talk about this. I recently wrote a post about this part of the Old Testament where the people are asking for a king and God is like, no, you guys don't want this. It is not going to go well. And they're like, no, we need a king.
Weeze (26:07)
Okay, go.
Kim Pendleton (26:28)
Give us someone in charge. Give us somebody who's gonna tell us what to do and take over and make us safe. And yeah, it doesn't go well. It's like that allure, that desire is so ancient. Even if there is an evangelical out there who's stuck it out this long just listening toward the end, it's like, I get it. You know, it's in our text. It's in, embedded in there.
It is a cautionary tale from the beginning. It is a cautionary tale from even thousands of fucking years ago that like that impulse toward having someone tell you what to do, that impulse toward authoritarianism, it is a human one, but it is going to lead you to your destruction. And like we're, we're experiencing it. Make sense you want a king. It's not a good idea.
Weeze (27:14)
Mm -hmm.
Mm -hmm.
Literally, God said so.
Kim Pendleton (27:23)
God said no! Dad said no. Yeah, it's first Samuel's if you want to it up. I know.
Weeze (27:28)
shirt that just says that God said no.
Well, on that note, what would you like to leave the people with? Is there anything that we have not said or have not properly terrified the people with that you want to leave them
Kim Pendleton (27:44)
Yeah. Right. Yeah, what are our like lost words here? I mean, I will say like both Weeze and I are so aware that like, this is super nuanced and like people's political and religious beliefs are at some of the most core personal, intimate parts of them. And as funny, you know, we have to make jokes so that we don't
die, as much as we might mock or make light of certain things, we know this is really serious and so, and that there's only so much you can cover in an hour. let this be the beginning, you know? It's okay if this left things feeling stirred up or there's more you want to explain or whatever, go into it more. Just start talking about
like start the conversation, start reading a little more. Because I think the worst thing we could do is close our eyes and be like, that could never happen. It's like a lot of people have thought that and it did.
Weeze (28:53)
It is literally already happening. Look at our Supreme
Kim Pendleton (28:55)
Good, right, excellent point. Right. Right.
Weeze (29:00)
You know, I mean, it is already happening. Yeah, I think the one thing that I will leave people with is really just reiterating that.
Kim Pendleton (29:03)
Sorry.
Weeze (29:14)
to point that we made earlier that y 'all need to be voting at every single opportunity, every single level. You need to know, like even, let me tell you, even down to who is your school board.
Kim Pendleton (29:20)
Yes, yes. The little ones. The little ones matter.
Weeze (29:32)
Because if you think that doesn't determine what curriculum is in the public school system and wherever you live, like, exactly, you are sorely mistaken. So we need to be voting on all levels, all cylinders, anytime you have an opportunity. That's the first thing. Because they've also tried repeatedly to continuously take away voting rights for several.
Kim Pendleton (29:39)
Very... yeah.
Weeze (30:02)
of our marginalized citizens. And if you have the right to vote with limited obstacles, because they also, they move polls, they do all the things, right? Like with limited obstacles, then you need to be exercising that right. That is my personal belief, but you ultimately do what you want. That's the first thing. The next thing that I will say is,
again, just almost like a cautionary. I think it's wonderful to have conversations with people. I think it is really beneficial to talk to people who might think differently, view voting differently, view, you know, even policies and politics and politicians differently. That's a beautiful thing. If you can have, you know,
different kinds of discourse, as long as it's rooted in humanity and it's just for the sake of curiosity and conversation. That's wonderful. And don't let anybody tell you who to vote for, how to vote, when to vote. People can name their opinions like me. I think everybody should exercise that right. And there are such things as protest votes. If you...
live in a place that the electoral college is traditionally and always blue, right? Like we have to go beyond the very surface level of like one person, one vote and like what this has to mean and how involved, like these are complex, nuanced issues and we have to be complex and nuanced in our analysis of them and how we decide to use or not use our vote, so on and so forth. And then the last thing
Kim Pendleton (31:33)
Yeah.
Weeze (31:51)
If you don't know where to have these conversations or you don't have anyone to have this conversation with, this is literally why I have a Patreon membership where we have a group chat. And then every other month we have a all community, depending on the level that you're at, an all community call so that we can come together. We can talk about these things. We can talk about the episodes. We can talk about what's happening in the news. We can talk about whatever y 'all want, but that is a place to continue to have this discourse with
people from right now, obviously this is a quote unquote United States issue, right? But it's people from all states and really we have global membership. So I highly, highly suggest y 'all check out the Patreon for additional resources, information, connecting, community, group chat, group calls, all sorts of stuff. Because these podcast episodes are obviously, I mean, I think they're great.
Kim Pendleton (32:31)
Totally.
Just the beginning.
Weeze (32:48)
but they're just the beginning of the conversation. It's an introduction to these things. It's you getting to be a fly on the wall with people that I think are great at, know, whatever it is that they do and the way that they do it. And we get to have these, you know, me and my guests are already having these conversations. we're just recording an hour of it for y 'all. So, if you're hearing this episode and you're like, shit, yeah, I'm kind of scared.
Kim Pendleton (32:54)
Yes.
What are you?
Weeze (33:18)
fair, come talk it out, learn something, and come be scared in community.
Kim Pendleton (33:19)
What's that?
I love that. That's another good t -shirt. Let's be scared together. Yeah, no, but it's so true. Like if this kicks up questions, that is sort of the point. And like the community that Weeze has built is the place to like continue that conversation so that you can talk about that. Sure. Yes. I hope we're wrong. I would love to be wrong. Yeah. Yeah.
Weeze (33:27)
Come be scared in community.
Even if you want to tell me you think I'm wrong.
Cool, come do that.
love to be wrong. are definitely times, there are certain moments. This is one of those moments. I would love to be wrong. I would love to be wrong about all of this. I would love to be wrong. I would love it. I would love it. I would love it. I would love to be
Kim Pendleton (33:55)
We love it! my god, do remember those memes that were like, Joe Biden is the leftist who's gonna take your guns and decriminalize the police? And we were like, yeah, we fucking wish, dude. No. I love that. my god. That sounds great. Introduce me to that guy.
Weeze (34:10)
Right. Literally. Promise?
I would love for us to reimagine public safety and actually remove guns from citizens, I know.
Kim Pendleton (34:26)
Yeah, no, I'm so grateful that you do this and that I'm so grateful to be here and I think it is just so important that we like, don't stop talking to each other because alone, this is too heavy. But together, it's scary but we feel like, okay, the moments that I can't hold this anymore, other people are holding me and vice versa. And that's like, you know, that's the best case scenario here is collective action.
Weeze (34:31)
Thanks, Bill.
Yeah. Yep.
Kim Pendleton (34:55)
community and doing this together.
Weeze (34:57)
If we learn nothing from the evangelicals, it's that doing it en masse with a singular vision and ethos is actually very effective.
Kim Pendleton (35:00)
Right!
Yes! You break the pie, I'll break the coffee. Totally, totally.
Weeze (35:12)
You bring the DJ, I'll get the warehouse. It'll be great. All right, y 'all. And for those that are like, I've never heard of Kim before, all the links to all her things will be in the show notes. Obviously, Kim knows what she's talking about. So if you are a person, especially if you have any sort
Kim Pendleton (35:14)
my god! Totally!
I'd like to say.
Weeze (35:37)
religious trauma, religious trauma at the intersection of just being a human that has trauma and is trying to figure out how to exist in this world, exist in your body, rediscover your own pleasure and joy and find a little bit of healing. Kim is the person to go see. So check out all her work. Again, links will be in the show notes. And until next time, that is all I've got.
Kim Pendleton (36:05)
Thank
Weeze (36:06)
All right, y 'all, bye.